The Trifecta

 

Episode #39: The Trifecta with Dr. Nasha Winters, ND, FABNO

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Integrative Oncology and the Unique Power of Mistletoe Therapy with Dr. Nasha Winters

Featuring Dr. Nasha Winters, the global healthcare consultant and enthusiastic specialist in exploring integrative cancer, guiding the clinicians to become masters of metabolic approach. Having the experience of being a cancer diagnosed patient, Dr. Nasha put forward to supporting patients with integrative cancer by suggesting constructive and practical treatment to achieve sophisticated health results.

Dr. Nasha Winters has educated hundreds of professionals on the clinical application of mistletoe. In this episode, we take a deep dive into the overwhelming topic of oncology in tandem with this alternative therapy. Dr. Winters shares her insights and experience bridging the gap between conventional oncology and the development of Integrative Medicine as an effective path in the treatment of cancer.

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Michael Roesslein:

All right. We’re live and I’m really excited. And this is one of the few guests that is coming back from season one to join us on season two. In season one, we learned about your incredible healing journey yourself with cancer and how that led to doing everything that you’re doing now. And this time we’re going to learn stuff about treating cancer and integrative approaches to cancer, where we didn’t really talk about the how before we just talked about the what and the why, and everything else. I’m here with Dr. Nasha Winters. Thank you so much for coming back.

Michael Roesslein:

That was one of the more fun podcast episodes I’ve ever recorded, so I’m excited to do this one. We just chatted. I’ve really got to start recording the pre-recording conversations, because they would make an awesome addendum to the podcasts.

Dr. Nasha Winters:

The outtakes.

Michael Roesslein:

But we just planned a visit in Italy and possibly one in Mexico because I live in Italy and she lives in Mexico, so we’ll see how that goes. But for those who don’t know about Dr. Winter’s work, she’s a global healthcare authority and bestselling author in integrative cancer care and research consulting with physicians around the world. She’s educated hundreds of professionals in the clinical use of mistletoe, which we’re going to learn about today and it’s not just for making out at Christmas, I think. And, has created robust educational programs for both healthcare institutions and the public on incorporating vetted integrative therapies in cancer care to enhance outcomes. We’re also going to learn about what integrative cancer therapy means. Dr. Winters is currently focused on opening, which is open-ish soon, the Metabolic Terrain Institute.

Dr. Nasha Winters:

Working on it, working on it.

Michael Roesslein:

Always working on it, a comprehensive nonprofit metabolic oncology hospital and research institute in the US where the best standard of care has to offer and the most advanced integrative therapies will be offered. And this facility will be in a residential setting on a gorgeous campus against a backdrop of regenerative farming, green building, and restorative amenities, EMF mitigation and retreat, as well as state-of-the-art medical technology and individualized data assessment to employ the right therapies at the right time to improve patient outcomes. And can we just make every single cancer treatment place in the world that?

Dr. Nasha Winters:

Yes, that is the plan for sure.

Michael Roesslein:

Well, I mean, if you guys do it and then you can put data behind your outcomes, they will come. And it’s a no brainer, there’s absolutely no way that such a place would not improve patient outcomes for any disease, especially cancer with some of the things you’re doing there. And I’m excited. I hope I never have to visit it as a patient, but I’m glad that it exists or existing soon and thank you for creating that. I think that’s every integrative practitioner’s dream is to have a place like that to be able to work.

So let’s start learning things. I used the word integrative several times in your bio right there and a lot of things that you do the word integrative is used. And we talked before we went on air and I said, and I kind of visualize, I don’t know if people saw the Batman movie with the Joker, the one that was really popular, Dark Knight, I said, “When people hear the word cancer, everybody loses their minds,” and I visualized that scene in the movie where he was like, “Loses their minds!” Because it’s scary as hell, one, especially in our culture it’s like, “Oh my God.” And then you don’t want to say even the word, it’s like that kind of taboo around it. There’s this massive fear and everybody loses their minds around that, which the fear is understandable.

And there seems to be this belief, I’ve seen this debate, internal debate, with people and people in my networks who have been diagnosed with cancer, do I go the conventional route or do I go the holistic route? And I have to pick one or the other. And if I go this way, I’m putting poison in my body, and I’m working with the conventional system, and da, da, da, da, and all these things. But if I go this way, I could just die and maybe the chemotherapy would work, but maybe the surgery. And there seems to be this belief that you have to choose I’m doing this or I’m doing that. Can you speak to that? Explain what integrative cancer treatment and therapy means and then speak to that whole loss of mind around the situation.

Dr. Nasha Winters:

Yeah. Well, first of all, I think that is a great sort of narrative picture that you just painted because I think that’s very realistic of what most people feel or experience when they’re diagnosed with this condition. We’re sort of taught to believe that it is a death sentence and yet studies and research has shown over the last few decades that we’ve actually turned this into a manageable disease process, much more like dealing with diabetes or cardiovascular disease and it’s not a death sentence. So I want to kind of displace that concern.

Often the biggest, most dangerous part of a cancer diagnosis is the reaction to the diagnosis itself, which is what you were alluding to here a moment ago in that the medical emergency is not so much the cancer because very rarely does it show up as a medical emergency, it’s often just found of sort of these obnoxious little symptoms that are brewing for some time that over time collect enough momentum or enough volume to get the attention to let us know what’s going on. On average it takes seven to 10 years for cancer to become big enough, loud enough for us to be aware of its existence. And very rarely, less than 1% of the time, will it present as an emergency, such as an occlusion of something vascular, or pushing up against colon, or something that’s causing an obstruction or something maybe causing a stroke, because oftentimes cancers can change your coagulation pathways. And sometimes the first sign and symptom of cancer is a blood clot kind of out of nowhere.

So that emergency is way less of an occurrence and yet we treat it like an emergency and the whole system tells people, “Oh my God,” [inaudible 00:06:26]. And so what is the most dangerous thing is the reaction. And I know the work you do, Michael, is so much about sort of commanding the mind and dealing with the traumas in our world around us. The diagnosis is very traumatic and how we are meeting that trauma, meeting that diagnosis, meeting that label can make or break our outcome pretty intensely. So that’s sort of one piece and we will come back to that here in a moment.

But cancer itself, unless you are a conventional oncologist board certified oncologist or a conventional board certified oral surgeon, then and only then are you allowed to say that you treat cancer. That is a legal requisite. So you can’t be someone like me to ever say I treat cancer. And first of all, I don’t, I happen to treat people that have cancer. And my focus is on their terrain, the environment in which the cancer took root, which that’s a very big differentiator right there as to the difference between perhaps integrative and standard of care.

The other side of this is when I had my first diagnosis in 1991 for my terminal diagnosis, there was no Dr. Google, there was no information out there. When you would go to a library and read up about anything about alternative cancer, it was these sort of obscure faraway places in Mexico that you could go to and they pretty much were about raw food juicing and praying away your cancer, which believe you me, there is power in some of those interventions, right? It’s not to say that those aren’t effective, but it was very limited in what we knew we had access to.

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Guacamole

1 tsp. Turmeric
½ tsp. Ground Cumin
1 tbsp. Ground Coriander
1 tsp. Coarse Sea Salt
¼ cup Olive Oil
¼ cup Lime Juice
2 cloves Garlic, Chopped fine.
½ Red Onion, Chopped fine.
1 Poblano Pepper, Fire roasted, peeled and seeds removed.
½ Jalapeño, Fire roasted, peeled and seeds removed.
½ cup Fresh Cilantro, Chop about half of it fine and mix with olive oil.
4 Avocado

METHOD

In a large mixing bowl add dry spices, and all liquid ingredients
(only half of the lime) and whisk.

Chop the garlic, onions, poblano, jalapeño and Fresh Cilantro,
add to the liquid ingredients.

Cut avocados into 1/2 inch cubes and add to the mixture.

Cut the avocados individually and stir the avocado chunks into
the liquid mixture as soon as they are cut to avoid oxidation.

Mix to desired consistency. If you like a more creamy guacamole,
use a potato masher to mash the avocado pieces.

Cover the surface of the guacamole with the remaining lime juice and salt. This will prevent discoloration of the avocado.

 

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Panna Cotta

As the weather warms up in the northern hemisphere, Steve has concocted this delicious low carb Panna Cotta!

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Ingredients

2 cups Heavy Cream

¼ cup Bocha Sweet

2 teaspoons Gelatin

1 cup Half and Half

¼ cup Cold water

1 teaspoon Salt

4 Cardamom pods

12 Coreander Seeds

½ teaspoon Ground Cinnamon

2 teaspoons Vanilla extract

 

Method

Bloom the gelatin: In a small jar with tight fitting lid, combine the water gelatin and salt. Shake well and let bloom for 10 minutes. Measure half
and half and let warm to room temperature.

Grind cardamom and coreander: In a mortal and pestle (or coffee grinder). Grind the cardamom pods and coriander seeds into a powder. Transfer this powder into a 2.5 qt sauce pan. Add the cinnamon powder.

Heat cream: In a 2.5 Quart sauce pan, gently heat the cream, sweetener, cardamom, coriander and cinnamon. Do not boil.

Combine half and half to gelatin: Use a whisk to break up gelatin and add the half. Use whisk to break up chunks of gelatin. This can alternately be
done on double boiler to dissolve gelatin in half and half.

Combine gelatin mixture with cream: While whisking, add the gelatin mixture to the warm heavy cream.

Dissolve gelatin: With gentle heat, whisk the mixture for 3 minutes to completely dissolve all gelatin in the mixture. Remove from heat and add
the vanilla. Whisk to incorporate the vanilla into the mixture.

Pour into muffin pan: Pour the mixture. Into the cells of a 12 cup ceramic coated muffin pan.

Refrigerate: Cover the muffin pan with plastic wrap or wax paper
and refrigerate for 2-3 hours

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Brussels Sprouts Quiche

Did you know that some people have a gene, known as TAS2R38, that make Brussels sprouts and other cabbages taste bitter to them? One cup of cooked Brussels sprouts only sets you back 56 calories. They’re chockfull of filling fiber, with 4 grams of fiber per 1 cup of cooked Brussels sprouts. They pack in 4 grams of protein per cup — which is high for a veggie. They’re also a good source of calcium, potassium, and vitamins C, A, and K. Click below to see the complete recipe and keepsake printout to try for yourself.

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A Teenage Cancer story.

This is a story about a young woman who had a high, just like a massive pile of health issues coming into this world. She was sort of born into an environment after a miscarriage of her mother. So she was sort of that, you know, the terror that her mother likely held in her body through that pregnancy following a pregnancy that went full term prior to her. So that’s a pretty terrifying thing for any parent to go through, but also of the subsequent pregnancies from that can create a lot of trauma in utero and a lot of stress hormones in utero.

So having some reference of that, that’s big. And then this young woman, when she was born, she had unbelievable food allergies. Her mother was unable to breastfeed. And also at that time, there was nobody really breastfeeding at that phase of time in the world. So it was sort of out of favor. So she was put on a multitude of different formulations that just backfired left and right and caused a lot of GI distress and a lot of colic. And what ended up putting her on was on a soy formula.

And, you know, that seemed like a great alternative back then. Except for fast forward, at the age of nine, this young woman began menstruating and that, you know, it’s not as uncommon today to see that. But back then it was very uncommon. And everyone, nobody really knew what to think of that information. But basically the trauma of a nine year old in third grade being taught how to use these giant pads with belts on them and how to deal with that. That was another traumatic sort of stepping stone in her life. Fast forward to the age of 11.

She started having extreme, extreme, painful menstrual cramps and was diagnosed with endometriosis. Fast forward to age 14. She was diagnosed with her first bout of cervical dysplasia, pre cancer of the cervix two years beyond that cancer of the cervix full blown at that time, and they just sort of kept freeze drying and burning things off just to get at it. So you can imagine that those are pretty traumatic events as well. Mixed into that window, this young woman was dealing with ongoing severe constipation, and I’m not kidding you when I tell you this. This woman’s bowel patterns were once a month bowel movement, whether she needed it or not for months on end, and the doctor simply told the family that, well, that’s her pattern. So that’s normal. She also was dealing with major cystic acne all over her face, her chest, her back, her shoulders. Major, major, major.

And they tried to put her on tons of things like tetracycline and all those drugs at that time and every pharmaceutical she kept trying to take for her GI issues, for her menstrual cramps backfired. She had terrible drug reactions to everything. She even rejected her body would abscess off when she would get her vaccines. So it was just this just the body had been coming into this world. Already pretty broken. At the age of 19, she started having unbelievable symptoms of extreme pain, Extreme bloating, would end up in the ER with such severe pain that they would just throw her on massive amounts of pain meds and send her back home. Or they’d kind of do a rudimentary physical exam and say she was histrionic or say that it was just her endometriosis which was officially diagnosed, or that it was polycystic ovarian syndrome.

When they did a pelvic, they saw big cysts on her ovaries, a really massive grapefruit size one on her right ovary, but they ignored it and wrote it off as polycystic ovarian syndrome. Fast forward almost a year of that process, when this young woman was getting more increasingly weak, breathing was becoming more challenging, shortness of breath even to take a few steps going upstairs, she had to hold and pull herself up. The pain in her abdomen, her abdomen kept swelling, and everyone, every time she’d end up in the ER about every month, they just put her on more things like antibiotics. She was having unbelievable UTIs, unbelievable yeast infections. I mean, it was a nightmare.

And it was when this young woman expressed that it was a time in her life when she really didn’t want to live because of just some of the traumas she’d experienced in her youth. A lot of sexual abuse, a lot of addictive issues in the family household, a lot of poverty and just a lot of disparity in her household.

So there wasn’t like a lot of motivation to live. And then the pain and the overwhelm in her physical body was intolerable. And it was at that point when she finally ended up in the hospital in almost cardiac failure on oxygen, like in tachycardia, weird things going on that a doctor who was visiting the hospital at that time, having to do a more thorough exam, and he actually ordered up at that time an MRI and was able to find out that this young woman was in end stage organ failure of stage four ovarian cancer that had metastasized to her liver, to her pelvis, all throughout her abdominal tract. And she was in end stage kidney, liver and heart failure. So this man had to come in and tell this 19 year old woman, you have cancer, there’s nothing we can do.

You’re too sick to even take on even a single dose of chemotherapy.

And basically, when that man told that young woman that there’s absolutely nothing that you can do despite her previous feeling of not wanting to be on this planet, it sort of ignited the pilot light inside of her and sort of had one of those moments where it was.

You tell me it can’t be done. I’m going to show you that it can. And fast forward to twenty seven and nine month, twenty seven years and nine months into this process, I sit before you today as the woman who lived
that story.

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A Fasting Testimony

A word from Janet Ottersberg on her experience incorporating the metabolic approach into her own life.

My keto lifestyle journey has taught me persistence, bio-individuality, and the importance of having support on the journey. – Janet Ottersberg

I have been doing keto for many years now and have always struggled with getting into higher levels of ketosis. That led me to believe that keto was just not right for me but I continued to do it because I know all the benefits. I also know that my genetic makeup requires that I really work to prevent a metabolic disaster. When I got the results of my Nutrition Genome, it verified for me, “AHA! I am right! Keto is not right for me. I will never see the numbers I want. I will never get to my desired weight on or off keto.” I was definitely looking for an excuse to not continue to overcome the challenges. I have a strong belief built up around my body and the weight it wants to hold onto. On the other hand, I love the keto lifestyle and believe very strongly in the impact it has on health and well being. Despite all of this knowledge, I still had a voice in my head telling me, “but not for me.” I continued on my keto journey trying new variations of keto, products and different types of fasting. Still, I was not getting the numbers that I wanted to get. I coach other people on how to do the ketogenic diet every day. WHY CAN I NOT GET THE NUMBERS I WANT? This was becoming a real mind boggle for me, but I was not willing to give up. I believe in the science and I have seen the benefits. As they say, ”and yet she persists.“

One of the things that I decided I needed to implement more into my keto lifestyle is fasting. I had been doing intermittent fasting but was not doing longer fasting. So I started to add in longer fasts. I started with a 24 hour fast and then added in a 3 day fast. It was initially very frustrating doing these fasts with my brother and sister-in-law. I would see her ketones go up immediately and my numbers looked like I had been feasting the last 3 days. I went back to it again and again and noticed that my ketones were starting to get higher and my glucose lower. Movement was finally happening when I started to really focus on my individual needs and eat, exercise and sleep according to my genetic make-up. For all of us, this is key. If you are used to following a diet plan from Good Housekeeping magazine (does anybody remember that one?) that is a one size fits all approach, you are doing yourself a disservice.

I am very fortunate to be spending a few weeks with my family, and we committed to start the new year with a 5 day fast. It had been years since I had done a 5 day fast and I was a bit nervous. I know that whenever I fast with the support of people around me, it is so much easier. We started on a Monday setting intention for this fast and for the New Year. We checked in with each other often and provided encouragement and strength for each other. We tested our ketones and glucose. In the first few days, I was in that same discouraging place, as my ketones were 0.9 at day 3 and my glucose was 89. I wanted to give up but felt so good and strong in the process that I told myself this is not about numbers and that kept me going. By the last day, I decided I was ready to look at the numbers again reminding myself it doesn’t matter and that this is just for curiosity. Finally I had struck gold! For the first time ever, my ketones were 2.6 and my glucose 64. I wanted to cry. I was finally seeing the results of years of being persistent to this keto lifestyle. Not only were my numbers great, but I felt amazing and I could tell when I put on my favorite bathing suit that my body had changed dramatically. When reflecting back on the impact of this fast, I realized that my statement that I say to all my clients about everybody being different and responding differently, is so true and applies to me as well. I also realized that the support of people doing this process with you is key! 

I recommend that if you don’t have somebody in your life to share this journey with, reach out to your Metabolic Terrain Community and find a buddy to support you.

 

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Terrain Advocate Program

The metabolic approach to cancer is a different approach that we believe will change the standard to cancer care and prevention.

With more people empowered with an understanding of the metabolic approach and how to follow it for themselves, loved ones and others, we can change the view of cancer to that of a manageable disease.

For this, we need your help.

Since January 2020, I have been formally training practitioners on the metabolic approach, but the graduates need advocates as patient role models, volunteers, or team members that can help other patients stay on track with their own deeply personalized program.

This terrain advocate program is for individuals with cancer, nutritionists and dietitians, health coaches, motivators and problem solvers, and passionate advocates for change.

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